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August 31, 2009 - 11:39 am
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Hi

I'm not sure where to start here. In New York, the teachers banded together with state legislators to prevent yoga teacher training from being over taxed and regulated. Yoga Alliance sat on the sidelines, while the state of New York used its data base to purge registered yoga schools!

What's going on and why is YA dropping the ball? What am I paying fees for? YA promised back in 1999 to be our representative to the government. I know that YA membership isn't required but i thought they would step in and say a little something in our defense!

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August 31, 2009 - 4:46 pm
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This is just another YA bashing session. Crying about it does no good. If you want an association that defends the right to teach yoga, you might as well start at the state level and build from there. The California yoga teachers association became yoga journal. Learn and replicate.

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September 1, 2009 - 6:56 am
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Maybe New York and Virginia realized yoga alliance doesn't interview, train, test, or certify. If yoga alliance steps out into the lime light, they have to come clean about their actions. I guess the state of New York used the yoga alliance directory. Or something else happened to that data base. Or worse......

NY only went after registered yoga schools. They didn't mail a letter to the rest of the schools in NY and there were so many more to go after. They would have eventually, but the yoga teachers in NY are a model to copy. Unify, even though we have differences. Its hard to lump fitness, boot camp, and spiritual schools into one category, but that's yoga.

Anyway the states won't show YA any respect. They never applied any of the dues to lobbying. They applied their profits to marketing yoga instructors. Get real - if there are really ten thousand RYTs in North America there has to be over sixty thousand certified yoga teachers in the US alone. And that's not including Canada.

Reality check: How often does anyone demand you be registered as a requirement? YA might be special in CA or NYC but I don't see many RYTs in other parts of the US. Have your students ever really cared? Do they even notice. Teachers are certified and that's all they care about. Some teachers don't have certification at all. Most gyms and companies only want to see a valid certification.

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August 31, 2009 - 2:50 pm
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Namaskar,

Virginia Yoga teachers and students are beginning to take action against Old Dominion's state plan for certification of yoga teachers. This is a struggle between yoga practitioners and state bureaucrats.

Some of the states are trying to say yoga teacher training courses are the same as vocational and technical training. Yoga is a spiritual practice and the Commonwealth of Virginia is breaking federal law. No state is allowed to regulate spiritual practices!

The State Council of Higher Education in Virginia has made a declaration that studios who offer yoga teacher certification must be certified by the state of Virginia. Yoga Alliance is located in Arlington, Virginia! We pay our dues to the Yoga Alliance! Go YA! Defend us!

Uh - excuse me. YA only collects your dues and thats all folks! YA was in Pennsylvannia, Maryland, and now Virginia, but maybe they'll be in the Bahamas next year! We've all been had!!! Luckily, the state level yoga teacher organizations have come together in New York and New Jersey. Now it looks like yogis in VA will band together too. What happened to YA? Who cares? I won't ever join again, but I will join my state yoga teacher association.

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August 31, 2009 - 4:28 pm
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Namaskar,

Well, I'll try to be objective about the lack of action on behalf of paying registered yoga teachers in New York, New Jersey, and Virginia. YA is doing the best they can. They're very busy answering tons of phone calls and tons of e-Mail. There are only so many hours in a day to do all of that work!

On the flip side - What did we get for our YA dues? We got a neat card and paper to frame with our RYT stuff. We got to fill out some lengthy questionnaires about how YA would define its role. We got some e-Mail about Yoga day and a discount on a few things. We got to feel real important anout our RYT club. It's been real and its been fun, but it hasn't been real fun.

When it's time to renew, I have to do some soul searching.

OM

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September 1, 2009 - 8:40 am
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Namaskar,

Try to avoid taking sides here.

Conspiracy theories don't hold up. Nobody except New York government officials knows where that information came from. About alliance - you are referring to the one in Arlington, VA. There are many different yoga alliance organizations around the world. What did you expect the US alliance to do? Did you think they were a political action group?

When this all got started with the US yoga alliance, White Lotus had an article about the divisions it would cause. Sure enough it all came true. But the US yoga alliance credential only holds up in a small percentage of yoga studios - That's It!

As mentioned above - students don't care. The reason being students will stay in your classes if they like the way you teach yoga.

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Namaskar Everyone,

This is indeed a "Hot Thread." The value in becoming a member of any yoga teacher organization is the feeling of spending good time with people you are comfortable with. You should know other teachers well and regard them with deep affection and trust. There are online associations like Aura where we can share ideas on the blog comments or in this forum. This isn't in person, but it helps. I can't travel as much these days. We are encouraged to share our thoughts and we learn as a group. State level yoga teacher groups exist too. At my age I don't feel like drving 8 hours to and from a 3 hour meeting. That's 11 hours! I should have moved to a smaller state. The interaction respected members receive tells much about the organization itself. I need not comment on YA.

Blessings,

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Namaskars,

When I first moved to the United States I worked hard to become a registered yoga teacher because it seemed like a good status that would open doors for jobs. I found out most yoga teachers are certified and never want to be registered. I paid so much money from a school that was a alliance registered yoga school. But certified teachers got yoga jobs before me. Now this in Virginia where Alliance has offices is a slap in the face. I feel shame that I prized the status and there is only shame for no action and no help for Virginia yoga teachers.

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I have to agree, what does the Yoga Alliance really do? And why do they move so much. what are they running from? Do they have some info they are not sharing? Where I came from you would sometime need to pay money for protection to avoid trouble. So you pay Yoga Alliance your protection money to keep you safe from the states and when trouble comes....they are nowhere to be found. Some sorry response, like we can only have limited involvement in this. So I took a Yoga Teacher Training here in California and I think I will just keep my Certified Yoga Teacher status. At least i know the school will back me.
And if it comes to this I will Register with the State of California. At least my money won't be wasted.

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Not sure what to say. This is very disturbing. Scandalous.

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Pranam,

You know it is hard to defend an organization that makes a promise and takes no action in defense of yogis when paying registered yoga teachers in NY were under fire. FYI, Yoga Alliance is NOT a national regulatory body for yoga at all. No organization should try to institutionalize Yoga. But if you tried to create an institution, you should step up to the plate and defend those paying registered yoga teachers who are a stone's throw from your Arlington, Virginia office! Teachers never were required in any way to register with yoga alliance in order to teach yoga.

Kind Regards,

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Yoga instructors couldn't wait to join the RYT club. We are responsible for this. We built them up. I guess your state yoga teacher association is the way to go if you live in the United States. If you are outside the US there are many yoga teacher associations to join. Like Yoga Alliance America.

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Hi,

Thanks very much for this comment. It help me to think about my ideals.

Thanks again and please keep posting.

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About YA - Well they've changed - Yeah. They changed their site to look GREEN, they've changed more rules and work more cloak and dagger gimmicks than ever before. This new guy is a marketing ace and they're putting on a new face.

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